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Er upprisa Krists eitt frgasta atvik mannkynssgunnar?

g veit ekki afhverju en g var a rpa um vef kristilega haldsmannsins Stefns Einars og rakst nokkrar perlur. Framt Sjlfstisflokksins og jkirkjunnar er augljslega bjrt!
einni frslu segir Stefn fr v a hann s a lesa um upprisu Krists.

dag hef g veri a lesa um upprisu Krists, sguna kringum upprisuna, tlkanir, rtlur og anna sem hltur a tengjast essum, einum frgasta atburi mannkynssgunnar.
Trir Gvufrineminn v a Jes hafi veri til alvrunni?

Hva er eiginlega kennt Gvufri? Kemst flk virkilega gegnum etta nm trandi tilvist Jes? Stefni er svosem vorkunn, hann er fyrsta ri. Sar nminu er vafalti hlai nemendur helstu gagnrni Kristni.
Einmitt.

Kannski er etta misskilningur og Stefn meinti "einni frgustu sgu mannkynssgunnar". a er lka allt anna ml.
Ef hann meinti etta alvrunni hlt g a spyrja hvaa arir atburir koma til greina. Brottrekstur Adams og Evu r aldingarinum, syndafli ea jafnvel skpun jarar.

kristni
Athugasemdir

Bjarni rn - 29/10/03 02:31 #

Vinkona mn sagi mr fr v a hn hafi veri a kaupa fermingargjf fyrra. Hn fr inn skartgripaverslun og var ar ung stlka a afgreia. Vinkona mn ba um hlsmen me krossi. Hn fkk nokkur til a skoa. San sagi stlkan vi hana "Vi eigum lka svona krossa me manni !". Stlkan var anna hvort ekta trleysingin ea bara ekki ljs llum perunum hj henni.

JBJ - 29/10/03 08:14 #

Var ekki komi samkomulag um a a Jes hefi n veri til? g hlt a hann hefi n bara veri enn einn prdikarinn, reyndar mun mkri en flestir hinna.

Hann vri bara a heppinn a or hans hefu oft veri rangtlku og eignu Gui of miki?

Einar rn - 29/10/03 09:10 #

Nkvmlega Ji! g held a margir spekingar su sammla um a Jess hafi veri til.

Hvort hann var svo sonur Gus, a er allt anna ml!

rni - 29/10/03 09:19 #

Nei Matti, fer n varla a fullyra a Jes hafi ekki veri til. ertu kominn yfir conspiracy theory pakka, Jes ekki til, geimverur byggu pramdanna og "there never was a holocaust". Mr finnst a ansi langstt a s fjldahreyfing sem var til runum 30 e.kr hafi s sig tilneydda til a dikta upp dinn spmann til a auka trverugleika sinn. Auk ess held g a a brfa og frsgusafn sem var samanteki Nja Testamentinu dragi af allan vafa um hvort maurinn hafi veri til. Hvort hann hafi veri sonur Gus er svo alveg opi fyrir umru.

Matti . - 29/10/03 10:14 #

Las enginn vsunina? Hn er okkalega tarleg og frileg

So much for the evidence purporting to prove that Jesus was an historical figure. We have not, of course, proved that Jesus did not exist. We have only showed that all evidence alleged to support such a claim is without substance. But of course, that is all we need to show. The burden of proof is always on the one who claims that something exists or that something once happened. We have no obligation to try to prove a universal negative. j

Grmur - 29/10/03 10:49 #

g held a i su a byrja vitlausum enda, tilvist jes skiptir ekki mli. a sem mli skiptir er hvort gu var til.
Biblan er annars lka merkilegur pappr og slendingasgurnar, bi rita lngu eftir a allir sem upplifu atburina eru ltnir. Vi hfum engar heimildir fyrir v a sl. bkurnar hafi haft ritnefnd sem ritskoai r. a er rkleysa a tla a eitthva biblunni sanni eitthva anna sem sama bk heldur fram. Eins og arar fjldahreyfingar snst kristni um a selja flk a sem a vill heyra, og g held a slumenn kristni su ekkert heiarlegri en arir slumenn.

rni - 29/10/03 11:45 #

ah.. g skrifai stff og missti a t.. enda varla merkilegt.. vildi bara segja a Zindler er lka frilegur og Gunnar krossinum..

Hann er sterklega biased (maurinn skrifar atheist journal.. come on)

Hann er emotional og me slembidma um Pl, segir hann hafa sturlast, sem er greinilega fordming persnu Pls og skounum en ekki fullyring bygg stareyndum. "Saul - the man who, after losing his mind, changed his name to Paul. "

Neibb.. Zindler er maur sem hkir smu gryfju og bkstafstrarmenn.. bara hinum endanum.. Hann er allavega ekki sannfrandi "frilegur" fyrir mr..

Enda er svona umra alltaf ri erfi egar arf a leggja mat ggn, kemur biasinn alltaf spili, hj bum ailum..

Matti . - 29/10/03 12:12 #

religioustolerance

The most recent book that we have found on this topic is by Michael Martin. 18 He is a professor of philosophy from Boston University who examined the major beliefs of Christianity. He concluded that there was insufficient evidence to conclude that Jesus existed. Earl Doherty, writing in the Humanist in Canada magazine 1 believes that early Christian leaders saw Jesus as the Son of God who was a spiritual, not human being. He writes: "If Jesus was a 'social reformer' whose teachings began the Christian movement, as today's liberal scholars now style him, how can such a Jesus be utterly lacking in all the New Testament epistles, while only a cosmic Christ is to be found?" If Doherty's assessment is true, then Christianity would have many points of similarity to other contemporary religions in the Roman Empire - particularly Mithraism who also viewed their founder Mithra as spiritual rather than as an actual historical human being.

nobeliefs.com

The most "authoritative" accounts of a historical Jesus come from the four canonical Gospels of the Bible. Note that these Gospels did not come into the Bible as original and authoritative from the authors themselves, but rather from the influence of early church fathers, especially the most influential of them all: Irenaeus of Lyon who lived in the middle of the second century. Many heretical gospels got written by that time, but Irenaeus considered only some of them for mystical reasons. ... The four gospels then became Church cannon for the orthodox faith. Most of the other claimed gospel writings were burned, destroyed, or lost." [Romer]

og g gti haldi lengi fram :-)

En kjarni mlsins er essi. Lang flestir halda a tilvera Jes hafi einhven htt veri snnu. Svo er ekki og au ggn sem lg hafa veri fram til a sanna tilveru hans hafa ll veri hrakin.

g get ekki sanna a Jes hafi ekki veri til, en g get rkstutt a ftt bendir til a Jes hafi nokkrun tman veri raunveruleg persna heldur mta sem menn fengu a lni. Af religioustolerance

Some theologians and historians believe that many of the details of Jesus' life were "borrowed" from a competing, contemporary religion, Mithraism.

Mithra was a fictional character who was worshipped as a Good Shepherd, the Way, the Truth and the Light, the Redeemer, the Savior, and the Messiah. A religion in his name was founded in the 6th century BCE. 5 Mithraism one of the most popular of religions in the Roman Empire, particularly among its soldiers and civil servants. It was Christianity's leading rival. 19 Mithra was also believed to have been born of a virgin. Like Jesus, their births were celebrated yearly on DEC-25. Mithra was also visited by shepherds and by Magi. He traveled through the countryside, taught, and performed miracles with his 12 disciples. He cast out devils, returned sight to the blind, healed the lame, etc. Symbols associated with Mithra were a Lion and a Lamb. He held a last supper, was killed, buried in a rock tomb. He rose again after three days later, at the time of the spring equinox, circa MAR-21. He later ascended into heaven.

skar - 29/10/03 12:16 #

a er nkvmlega ekkert sem bendir til tilvist Jes. au sem vilja frilega umfjllun vil g benda Earl Doherty sem hefur skrifa 2 bkur sem g mli me. Hann er me essa vefsu: gtt a byrja : http://human.st/jesuspuzzle/puzzle1.htm San a lesa meira http://human.st/jesuspuzzle/home.htm

San er essi bk afbrag: http://www.jesusmysteries.demon.co.uk/home.html

Einnig fjallar Dan Barker um etta ml Losing Faith in Faith en s bk tti a vera skyldulesning.

g hef teki nokkra trmenn beini um etta ml, maur mann. llum tilvikum kemur a ljs a flk hefur ekki hugmynd um sguna bakvi Jes Krist og hina Kristnu Kirkju. v miur eru Gufringar ekki miklu betri, v kennslan Hsklanum virist vera skelfileg rrasn raunveruleikan. Anna hvort er ekkert kennt arna af viti ea a nemendur hlusta ekki tmum. Nmskrin bendir til ess a kennslan s afar takmrku. g vona samt a hugi nemenda s samt meiri en deildarinnar. Kveja skar

rni - 29/10/03 13:00 #

Einmitt.. Tilvist Jes hefur hvorki veri afsnnu n snnu svo fullngjandi s, g beygi mig fslega undir a. en lyktanir manna hva a varar munu oftast vera litaar af v hvernig eir eru biased gagnvart kristni og trarbrgum almennt.

Minn bias hefur au hrif a egar g skoa "ggnin" er g sannfrur um a hann hafi veri til, s enga stu til a lykta anna.

Og j.. Pll er umdeildur svo vgt s til ora teki :) en a vri ltt frilegt af mr a skilgreina hann klikkaan n essa a hafa hann til vitals ea ngjanlegar heimildir um slarlf hans til a lykta svo.. ekki sammla?

eva - 29/10/03 14:57 #

g get n ekki s a a skipti llu mli hvort maurinn var raunveruleg persna ea skldskapur. Ef Jess er skldsagnapersna hefur hfundur eirrar sgu sannarlega veri hrifarkt skld. Er ekki tilvist Jessar lka vel snnu og tilvist Atla Hnakonungs? Hann kemur va fram heimildum, m.a. hann a hafa tengst Siguri Ffnisbana tt hafi veri um 400 r milli eirra. Flestir telja a Atli hafi raunverulega veri til, fir telja a Sigurur hafi drepi dreka. g vil endilega halda eim mguleika opnum a Atli hafi veri sguleg persna tt hann hafi lka rata inn sgu sem kannski meira skylt vi vintri en sagnfri. Vlsungasaga sr lka reianlega einhverjar sgulegar rtur og v sjlfsagt a halda henni lofti eim forsendum, en ar fyrir notum vi ekki Eddukvin til a rkstyja tilvist dreka.

Matti . - 29/10/03 18:28 #

a skiptir mig raun litlu mli hvort Jes var til ea ekki.

Mr finnst hugavert a a virist vera almenn skoun a gar heimildir su fyrir tilvist Jes egar svo er alls ekki.

JBJ - 29/10/03 18:55 #

Mig minnir a meyfingin s bara enn ein ingarvillan, upphaflegur texti hafi sagt "ung kona" en ingarmistk hafi breytt essu "hrein mey"